If you’ve ever delved into the realm of conspiracy on the world wide web, you know that there’s literally an entire world of explanations out there for everything from Abraham Lincoln’s assassination to the Murrah Federal Building bombing in Oklahoma City. Often these explanations provide a wealth of documented evidence. Often they connect wildly different events and point toward a "shadow" government that uses agencies like the CIA to extort wealth and power from the masses. One has to assume that all these theories can’t be true (in fact, the theorists themselves are sometimes at odds with each other), but likewise it’s hard to imagine that NONE of them are true, given the preponderance of evidence and the number of government scandals that have already been exposed by the mainstream media. And for good or bad, it’s this line of thinking that keeps conspiracy theorists afloat.
Initially, I thought it'd be interesting to talk to one such whistle-blower, to learn more about what makes the clock tick in his world where the bad guys aren't just in the movies. Mike Ruppert was a good candidate. For one thing, he had connections. His mother was a cryptographer for the NSA (National Security Agency). His father was an Air Force officer involved with the Titan IIIC project that launched the CIA's satellite surveillance system. He has cousins who were CIA agents, one of whom was with the OSS during WWII. And Mike himself was a highly regarded LAPD narcotics agent who was at one time engaged to a CIA domestic operative. In recent years, Mike served as the LA County spokesperson for Ross Perot's failed presidential campaign. It was in that capacity that he finally received some national media attention, including mention in People Magazine.
Mike’s areas of expertise are numerous, but the one that caught my attention and imagination first was the issue of Robert Kennedy’s assassination. I was well aware that the circumstances of his brother John’s death were never satisfactorily cleared up (to use a little understatement), but I didn’t know there was any cloud of controversy around Bobby’s shooting. Silly me. My first question to Mike, then, concerned the night Bobby Kennedy was shot at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles in June of 1968.
Eclectica: Mike, let’s just jump right into the heavy stuff. What do you contend took place the night RFK was shot?
Eclectica: You know, one thing I don’t understand, is why would the killers have Sirhan shooting blanks? I mean, wouldn’t it be more thorough to have him firing the real things? Which ties into my other question: I’m assuming that if there was a conspiracy to kill Bobby, the conspirators would want to draw as little suspicion to themselves as possible. To that end, it seems like having multiple assassins in a crowded room, along with a visible assassin who was shooting blanks, would just increase the chances that someone would suspect sinister forces at work. Finally, if Sirhan was firing blanks, how do you account for all the bullets they recovered from the walls of the pantry?
Also note that when Bobby fell he grabbed Cesar's tie. It's in the infamous photo of Bobby lying on the floor. Cesar, by all accounts was the only person directly behind Bobby in position to fire the fatal shots, and he was armed. It is a very common practice to build a .22 revolver on the frames of .38's and .357's for target practice. The guns look and weigh and feel exactly like the heavier caliber. Security Guards carried .38's. A longer barrel (4-6 inches) would reduce and/or eliminate both muzzle flash and noise. Sirhan, meanwhile, fired a snub nose. You ask why the fake bullets and the multiple shooters? In order to close a homicide you must have a killer. Patsies are perfect in that they are dead ends. Both Oswald and Sirhan (and Ray) were the ultimate cul de sacs. In Bobby's case the killing was much more haphazard because of the time constraints and the previously failed attempts.
Eclectica: So, you’ve explained who did it, how they did it, and why they had to do it that night. But why do it at all? What did the CIA and/or the LAPD have against Bobby Kennedy?
Eclectica: There is an essay, "Bobby, I didn't know!", on your web page, that explains your connection to the Robert Kennedy assassination. You were only a teenager at the time, but years later when you joined the LAPD, you crossed paths with many of the principle players. However, this doesn’t necessarily explain how you’ve come to be one of the people who won't let the circumstances of his death be swept under the rug. Why are you one of those people, and how would you characterize some of the others fighting the same fight?
Eclectica: You draw a distinction, then, between people who are dedicated to revealing the truth, and those who are in it for personal gain. In our society we enjoy a certain freedom to disseminate information, especially with the advent of the internet. However, this freedom has made it easy for false information to proliferate as well. How do you respond to people who dismiss what you have to say as conspiracy theory hype, exploitation, paranoia, a personal vendetta on the part of a disgruntled former LAPD employee... in short, what do you say to the non-believers? And how have people attempted to refute you?
Eclectica: That makes me think of one of my favorite quotes, said by Jerry Garcia: "Somebody has to do something, and it’s just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us."
I have largely been refuted in one of two ways. Either people say I am crazy, which conveniently gives them an excuse to avoid looking at my evidence, or else I have been ignored. Not once in twenty years has any official source ever been willing to debate me on the facts or my evidence. They can't! All I have asked for (and I have been promised four times that I would be allowed to testify in Congress) was an opportunity to present my case in a public forum and have the government respond. They can't allow that. As to my sanity, let me ask this question: If a man came running up to you on the street and told you that a house was on fire and people were trapped inside, would you have him psychoanalyzed before you went to check the house? If you did, then who would be the crazy one?
Eclectica: You said that RFK’s assassination isn’t your main area of expertise or interest. I gather from your web page that your primary fight has been to expose the CIA’s drug trafficking activities, domestically and abroad. This fight has almost had an ironic and anticlimactic ending, as the powers that be have all but admitted CIA involvement in drugs after the Iran-Contra affair. I also read about John McCarthy, who is a remarkable person in his own right with an equally remarkable story. Is there another issue you’re involved with besides those that you feel strongly about?
Eclectica: It's interesting that you should say that. It's possible I already was one of those people. My father passed away when I was four, and I believe he died as a direct result of exposure to Agent Orange. There is no history of such a thing in his family, and yet he died of systemic cancer (kidneys, lungs, etc.) at the age of 42. He served in Korea and did two tours in Vietnam, and was an extremely decorated Marine who apparently died of a preventable, deliberate exposure to a chemical whose grand purpose was to clear foliage.
Eclectica: Any way you look at it, it was a lousy deal.
Eclectica: Here’s a slightly "lighter" question. There’s been a lot of attention given to conspiracies by the entertainment industry in recent years. Oliver Stone’s JFK, Conspiracy Theory starring Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts, the X-Files, to name a few... What is your opinion of these movies and shows? Is there one you feel to be particularly accurate? Do you have any favorites?
The same logic applies to the magic bullet in JFK and the autopsy in RFK. The problem is not a lack of evidence. The problem is people's inherent unwillingness to face things of which they are afraid, thereby scapegoating and sacrificing their fellows to an evil they dare not confront themselves.
Eclectica: Mel Gibson’s character in Conspiracy Theory brings up a good question though. Given that even presidents and presidential candidates haven't been safe from the people to whom you are drawing unwanted attention, do you have any fear for your own life? If not, why? If so, what precautions have you taken to prevent any "accidents?"
Eclectica: Okay, so you've been fighting this fight for twenty or more years. You've been shot at and ignored. You've lost money. While you say you've learned to walk the earth a free man, are you also walking the earth an unhappy man? What would have to happen for you to achieve a sense of closure—a sense of inner peace? Would it be the opportunity to testify before congress? Or perhaps the arrest and condemnation of the men who were behind RFK's assassination? In other words, is there a goal that when achieved would bring you contentment?
Personally, I think I'm entitled to twenty years of back pay from LAPD and a pension. Would I stop if I got it? Absolutely not! Do I like my life now? The loneliness is sometimes very difficult. Michael Jackson's marriage lasted longer than mine did. Finding a woman who wants to hang around with phone taps, assassinations, conspiracies, CIA documents and political intrigue is a bit like buying the winning lottery ticket. Financial stability has not been my strong suit. Only commitment has.
Why did William Wallace do what he did in Braveheart though? In a ham and eggs breakfast the chicken is involved and the pig is committed. But that reveals a larger question which I'll rephrase as, "Is there a price that would make you give this up?" I was told by a Special Forces veteran back in 1981 that if I continued to pursue this I should never have children because they could be killed. I have no children for a variety of reasons but I realized that if I was ever in fear of losing something then I was not totally free to speak out. As Janis Joplin said, "When you ain't got nothing you got nothing to lose." Testifying before Congress would be a good start. A complete overhaul of the government would be good. A massive awakening on the part of my fellow man would be best. I'll know what's enough for me when it happens and, believe me, nothing would make me happier than to know that this work is done.
Eclectica: Do you think the government will ever ‘fess up to all they’ve done?
Eclectica: What is a question you wish that interviewers WOULD (and/or wouldn't) ask you?
The question I would like to be asked is, "What is this really all about?" I would answer that ALL of this is about fear. People are much more afraid than they care to admit and they even refuse to see the ways in which fear governs their lives. These conspiracies and the machinations of a ruling elite are as old as mankind. And the rules for implementing and sustaining the power structure are absolutely ancient. They have not changed. The basic rules used against us are: 1 - Keep the people in fear of losing their protection from unspeakable evils; 2 - Keep the people afraid of each other by means of race, sex, age, language, culture, etc; 3 - Create conflict so that the powers that govern can be seen to solve the conflict, thus keeping people submissive; 4 - isolate and destroy any independent thinkers; and 5 - always deny the truth.
This corruption I and other brave friends fight is very much like a cancer which reduces societies to lowest common denominators. It is insatiable in its demands for more.
Eclectica: Mike, thank you for taking the time to do this interview, and approaching all of these questions so thoughtfully. I wish you the best of luck with all of your future endeavors.
Mike finances his battle against the CIA with lecture fees, newsletter subscriptions, and other contributions. If you’d like to contact him or learn more about the causes he supports, you can visit his website at www.copvcia.com. I recommend, if you read nothing else, the preface to his congressional testimony (as yet, undelivered).
One question that occurred to me while preparing this interview, and which still causes me some unease, is this: if a man in a gray suit were to appear at my door and urge me, in no uncertain terms, to delete every word on my computer having to do with Mike Ruppert, what would I do? How far would I be willing to go, and what would I be willing to sacrifice to ensure that you can read this interview? I’d like to think I’d do the right thing, but what that is and whether or not I would have the courage, I just don’t know."